As an example in the Conti case. Irwin Zalkin asked Kendrick's former wife and former step-daughter if she thought it was a privileged communication.
Irwin Zalkin was not Candace Conti's lawyer, it was Rick Simons.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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"Let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person. Why do you feel that Watchtower is responsible for that person's actions against the child?"
Who said that anyone DID say that the WT is responsible for that lewd man's behavior in the first place, as no one can control another person's behavior. (Tho when people see opportunities to act without consequence, you might say the WT is responsible for setting up a condition that makes it easier for the crime to be committed)
However, for all the documented cases where these victims suffer through years of mental torture, the WT bears responsibility for the harm that comes to those victims after the pedophile has acted.
Because the WT tells elders not to report these to the police, children suffer.
It tells elders to call the legal department.
The GB act like gods, they are the "Guardians of Doctrine" (G.O.D.) and tell everyone how to think, how to act, and let congregation sheep know, in no uncertain terms, what will happen to them if they do not "listen, learn and obey."
Because , the GB have found out that they have a "goring bull" in the yard, and they themselves have written, and are aware of their responsibility.
*** w91 2/15 p. 12 par. 8 A Corresponding Ransom for All ***
"To illustrate: Exodus 21:28-32 speaks of a bull that gores a person to death. If the owner knew of the bull’s disposition but did not take proper precautions, he could be made to cover, or pay, for the life of the slain one with his own! Yet, what if the owner was only partially responsible? He would need a ko′pher, something to cover his error. Appointed judges could impose upon him a ransom, or fine, as a redemption price."The WT does know about the "goring bull" when they are first called.
They do not protect people from a second attack.
It keeps records "of their goring bulls."
It lets these "goring bulls" keep goring, not only the "sheep" in the congregation, but people outside of the walls of the Kingdom Halls.
The WT punishes people for talking or warning about the "goring bulls."
It takes their life, their family, their friends.
The WT does not live by the standards that it's own writing department writes of, but expects everyone else to live by the letter of the law.
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"Just have faith in Jehovah..."
by evilApostate ini recently spoke to an old friend of mine who is still under the clutches of the watchtower.
a while back, i had told him about all the child sex abuse coverups, false prophecies, false doctrines etc.
he was really shocked and surprised.
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I watched two You Tube vids this week. Both guys were baptized young, pioneered, went to Bethel. Both woke up and left in these last few years.
One (his name is V for fifth) had a few friends that left the Borg, they didn't even say THAT much to him (not like the WT wants you to believe) but he really liked them, looked up to them. Afters years, and things here & there....He had a conscience moment, during a WT study... He left... Those things people said, those events stuck with him, in the back of his brain...
The one who left before him, was actually one of his brothers in Bethel! That he looked up to. Things didn't add up for "Apollos" either.. He visited this website, where Blondies use of WT quotes, and scriptures helped him.. and then he found JWfacts, with all the WT quotes, and "the light got brighter"..
Both took a few years for the facts to sink in, and leave. Now? Gone for good!
I say thx to Simon, Blondie, and all contributors here, you have made a difference!
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Regional Kickbacks to WTS for Conventions
by Simon ini guess tax payers get to subsidize the conventions, who knew!.
https://user-cb2rbzy.cld.bz/jehovah-s-witnesses-2017-regional-convention/4.
no wonder they really push people to book through the congregation rather than privately, directly - it's all about the rebates!.
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As we were exiting the borg, I noticed that in the SF Bay Area... at the Cow Palace, hotels use to be fairly close to the convention.
The last time I was still in, my friend had to go to a hotel in Fremont! It seems as that would be at least an hours drive, and the cost? huh! not that cheap!
I asked, "What!!?? They can't make you do that! That's crazy!"
Her reply? "There must be a reason the brothers want us there."
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"Just have faith in Jehovah..."
by evilApostate ini recently spoke to an old friend of mine who is still under the clutches of the watchtower.
a while back, i had told him about all the child sex abuse coverups, false prophecies, false doctrines etc.
he was really shocked and surprised.
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You never know, evilApostate....
What you have initiated with your friend just may help them in the future, when they have a personal experience. So many have had this happen.
Since Jdubs are conditioned, programmed to reply like robots... i.e.
" just because the F&D slave makes mistakes that doesn't mean that this isn't "the Truth","
that will be the automatic reply, like when you pull the trigger on a rifle, you EXPECT the bullet to come zipping out. Their brains are LOADED with bullets.... They are 'semi-automatics' so to speak ;-)
However, in the future, something will happen to them, and their automatic triggering system will get jammed.
Things start adding up, and sometimes, they remember, and escape!
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Are You a Devoutly Religious Person?
by TerryWalstrom inare you a devoutly religious person?.
if, yes--this is for you.______intellectual honesty is a willingness to be wrong when facts and evidence clash with beliefs.lacking neutral objectivity, people can’t really listen!
they defensively filter anything which clashes with belief.
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Excellent observations! Thx, Terry!
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Article - Wales - Daily Post: 'Sly' Anglesey Jehovah's Witness preacher jailed for sex with a child
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sly-anglesey-jehovahs-witness-preacher-12361109.
dec. 22, 2016 by derek bellis.
elder, daniel anglesey pleaded guilty at caernarfon crown court and was sent to prison for two years and eight months.
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Hopefully, this will be the wakeup & get out call for this family.
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Article - Wales - Daily Post: 'Sly' Anglesey Jehovah's Witness preacher jailed for sex with a child
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sly-anglesey-jehovahs-witness-preacher-12361109.
dec. 22, 2016 by derek bellis.
elder, daniel anglesey pleaded guilty at caernarfon crown court and was sent to prison for two years and eight months.
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Scenic Viewer.... Crazy, huh?!
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Article - Wales - Daily Post: 'Sly' Anglesey Jehovah's Witness preacher jailed for sex with a child
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sly-anglesey-jehovahs-witness-preacher-12361109.
dec. 22, 2016 by derek bellis.
elder, daniel anglesey pleaded guilty at caernarfon crown court and was sent to prison for two years and eight months.
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Good thing this construction worker who reported this to the police wasn't an elder, or he would have to call the legal department first, and Elder Daniel Anglesy would not have been caught in the 'act'.
There would not have been 'two witnesses' and all the evidence would have been lost!
It is refreshing to see that this sexual abuse of a 14 year old minor was treated as a crime rather than a sin.
Unfortunately, the official policy of JWs does not require the reporting of sexual abuse, only if it is a law... Listen to Geoffrey Jackson's testimony for ARC.
Notice at the end of this article how the "spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses" jumps on the bandwagon and described this act...... as a CRIME! He gives the lame compensation that "Arthington was sacked as an elder soon after his arrest." (even if he was sacked, if he was not reported to the police, this man, Dan Anglesy, would be free to molest children who are not JWs)
He said: “We would like to offer our sincere condolences to the family of the girl. We abhor any child abuse...... He added: “The elders are there to protect the welfare of the congregation. And I would like to repeat we detest this disgusting crime.”In Australia, 1006 "alleged" "disgusting crimes" of child sex abuse in JW-ville were not reported.
Thank "God" that a worldly construction worker had a conscience and compassion.
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Fading or Disassociating
by Saethydd inhello, i'm new here.. i'm a college student who has been raised in the "truth" for my entire life.
i was baptized at 10 years old, and looking back now i know i didn't fully grasp everything involved, for one thing i don't even recall ever going to jehovah in a special prayer to dedicate myself to him, but anyway that's the past and my focus is really on the present.
i'm currently pursuing an associates degree, but i find myself desiring to pursue a bachelors in my chosen field so that i may have a somewhat more secure future.
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If you can, try just "playing the game" until you can:
1. Finish your BA degree...
2. Afford to be on your own
3. Have friends/ support network of your own
4. Investigate this organization and find out what it really is... As in "The Wizard of Oz".... look behind the curtain, and the 'power' this org has just fades away...
Do not marry a JW girl, problems will just multiply. (Like so many people, they marry a 'fader' or a DF'd person, they are both "out of the truth" and then, because of peer pressure, family, or whatever else.... they decide to go back...)
PS, when going in FS, just go 15 minutes, volunteer to be 'the odd one out when there are not enough for "partners" ... pretend you are 'talking to someone' (maybe talk about their landscaping? the neighborhood? their dog?) and then? write whatever hours you like on your field service report!!! Yay! Let them think you are doing just fine!
Best wishess!
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